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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 27, 2010 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Why not Big Iron?

Does anyone know why Bobby didn't integrate Big Iron into the GD rotation? I enjoy the versions that I have heard from Kingfish recordings. It seems like it would have made for a logical pairing with El Paso, or with one of the other "western" tunes.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 27, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Yeah, because, Lord knows we didn't have enough Bobby cowboy tunes.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 27, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

I always thought the problem was not the songs, but that he played the same 5 songs a billon times . I mean there are lots and lots of country songs he could have done well with the Dead ( 'Big Iron' would have fit ).
I believe in David Gans "Conversations with The Dead", the issue is brought up to Garcia twice . In the first interview ( early 80's ?), he sort of laughs it off , sort of "Oh that Bobby" . In the second interview (later 80's ?) the subject clearly is more annoying to him , I wasn't funny anymore !
Also , I wondered why didn't drop them . Stylistic , he moved away from his country period, into a more urban sounding, "I want to be a blues singer now" period . As the 80's progress, these songs sound less, and less convincing .

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jul 27, 2010 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Ones to many and twenty aint enough-lol !!!!

Actually was my fav bobby side project, although the Midnites were incredible musicians.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 27, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

LOL! I have seen this diddy on a couple of Ratdog setlists, but I do not believe he has played it with The Dead or Furthur.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 27, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

My view was that fundamentally, M&MU and BIron are the "same" song...right? So, having been doing the one, they couldn't start doing the other...

I am not sure how many songs you could point to and say "these are identical songs in general structure, theme, etc., etc." but aren't these two the ONE?

I think that Contract would have been a better choice...ie, for the DEAD to do.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 27, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Don't recall ever hearing Kingfish do Contract. I think Goodbye Yer Honor (NRPS and Kingfish) would have been a good alternative oater for the Dead.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 27, 2010 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Right you are...I was just thinking "cowboy tunes" but slightly different...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 27, 2010 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Poison Ivy?

Even better!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jul 27, 2010 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

one of my Kingfish favs for sure!!!! great song!!! might of blended in well with the usual me and my mexicali river tried type tunes....

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 27, 2010 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Love the tune also but to answer your question..... it's the same reason Jerry never brought 'How Sweet it Is' (once it became a Jerry Band anthem), or any number of other great JGB tunes into the GD repertiore: these guys understood if they were going to succeed in carving out musical identities seperate from the Dead it would be helpful if their side projects didn't have identical, or overly similar, setlists. Just my guess.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 27, 2010 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Good guess and makes a lot of sense to me BUT by the same token my favorite Deals and Sugarees more often than not appear w/ JGB. So, did he "steal" from the band to make his "side" project more appealing? Not really a question for which I expect an answer (unless someone has Jer on speed dial in the fire down below).

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-07-27 23:11:41

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 27, 2010 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Jump For Joy, Wild Northland, and Home To Dixie (also from that first Kingfish album) would have also been good choices for cover songs.
I love Big Iron too and often wondered like you, why the Dead never gave it a try..

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2010-07-28 04:20:16

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 27, 2010 10:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

It would have defintely gone off better than their try at Mack The Knife.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 28, 2010 12:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Jack The Knife?? Yee gods!! What bar did they play that one at??

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 28, 2010 6:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Mack The Knife :-) They tried it on 11/30/81.


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-11-30.sbd.miller.108843.flac16

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 28, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

That's a great song...BDarin was defn the only one to do that, IMHO...I know everyone has a song that they think "that's HIS/THEIR song!", and I have maybe ten or so that come instantly to mind, and that is one of them (can't say I've heard many by other swooners, but you get the idea).

Would you be surprised to know I consider SPOONFUL JB's tune? Or QtheEsk MMann's? As in these ex's, I do allow that someone else can come along and "claim" the tune, if you follow...like Jimi did with WATCHTOWER...

Agree with all that showered love and affection on BIron...always liked it better than M&MU, and now for some DEAD trivia: was there at least ONCE when an audience member heard BOTH those songs done in the same night when then attended a DEAD show?

Anyone know off the top of their HEAD? That's TRIVIA question # 1....








CLUE: third person Tell was there...

[here you go, Lou!]



TRIVIA question # 2:

Who knows where MRobbins was born?






Clue # 2: Tell lives nearby...




TRIVIA # 3: what geographic locale, near his birthplace, inspired the fictional town to which the AZ ranger rode?




Have fun...don't forget to pickup your Credenza or Chiffarobe if you win, though you must pay for shipping and handling.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 28, 2010 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

Agreed the Bobby D was the one for Mack, although, that said, I do have a fondness for Satchmo's version too (Ella's is maybe just a touch too much). And definitely you can;t hear Quinn without thinking Mannfreds.

Now, you know generally speaking I don't do trivia (ahem) but just for you, Id think 1 - yes if the support band did one and the Dead the other; 2- name escapes me but there was some incident involving a train there I believe; 3 - guessing Coldwater Canyon.

Can I collect from your office next time I'm in town?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 28, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

We have a winner on #2, but a looser on #3, and I am afraid a big fat clarification req'd on #1 (you gotta name the show(s); ie, the day it happened, which I think might have only been once...sorry, didn't make that clear).

Good phrasing on answer for #2, BUT to be honest, just so you know, the one referenced in that tune was a "different" town (even if fictional, if you take the tune literally [?], it's a more easterly locale...if that makes sense). It is a common town/city name over here...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 28, 2010 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

Oh hey - 1: you just asked if it was POSSIBLE, not where and when. I think I answered the question as put. I'll have to do some research now...

2: yes I think I knew one was in CA and the other in AZ but I can never pass up a chance to be a smartass as you well know.

3: Hmmm. Can I have another crack? Agua Fria National Monument?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 28, 2010 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

Ha--good going! I sent an email since you had made a good effort, and I am clearly in "time on my hands" mode here...

Yes, # 1 is harder than I thought, I may be very wrong about it (I focused it narrowly in my mind, and that little hint might help...although the image of my pea brain narrowing moreso perhaps is only puzzling rather than illuminating, eh?).

But, you are more than close enough on # 3, since the monument is named for the river that ran/barely runs now thru his hometown of Glendale (Agua Fria River), and I think that was what inspired his choice of the fictional (again to my knowledge) "...town of Agua Fria, rode a stranger..."

Not sure I can whittle one of these prizes down to fit in a CD envelope for ya...

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 28, 2010 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Important DEAD related trivia....

I saw Sinatra in Vegas in the early 80's and I thought his version of Mack The Knife was pretty darned good.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jul 27, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

Because 2 Marty Robbins songs & only one Johnny Cash song in cowboy polka rotation would be sacrilegious.
I *do* love Big Iron, however...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jul 27, 2010 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why not Big Iron?

That is just a non-stop great song. I've wondered the same thing. Bobby & The Midnites did it, too (don't know about Ratdog), and it always seemed like it would have fit in very nicely in a GD first set.

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